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Post by oldgitplayer on Nov 8, 2012 1:48:51 GMT -5
My thought for the day:
A song made only with multiple isolated overdubs, employs the science of recording.
A song made with full band studio takes, expresses the art of recording. (and you can hear the difference)
Worthy of discussion? If so, I'd love you to share your thoughts.
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Post by bee3 on Nov 8, 2012 8:21:14 GMT -5
I don't even know how to answer. But I'll try... I think both are examples of 'art'... and 'science'.
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Post by rsadasiv on Nov 8, 2012 9:16:27 GMT -5
It's all a fabricated fantasy.
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Post by leeknight on Nov 8, 2012 9:54:26 GMT -5
Paul McCartney recorded Maybe I'm Amazed by himself. Well, the whole "Cherries" album in fact. Jeff Lynne tends to record himself. To the point of overdubbing the snare, then the kick, then the toms.
I think the idea of a one man band can really mess with peoples ideals a bit. I remember detailing the process of 80's record production to a new friend once... he was aghast! "You mean, sometimes they're not even in the room together?!?!?" It bummed him out. Here he was picturing Mr. Mister or whoever jamming it out in the studio like the Stones.
Then again, I am always completely delighted when I get to track with drummer and guitarist or keys, live on the floor. It's wonderful. It reaps magic in a matter of minutes...
...whereas the one man band has to be the Wizard of Oz in the skillz department and the patience of a saint. Or a tweaker.
But the bottom line is, does it work? I think frequently it does. But, lots of times it sounds like one guy trying to make it work too.
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Post by oldgitplayer on Nov 8, 2012 10:07:12 GMT -5
^^^ Thanks for the extensive response. You would have seen and heard the lot with your career.
I always find playing with other musicians to be a mixture of joy, celebration and discipline. And I love to hear it in recorded music that captures all that heart and soul. Studio overdubbed perfection works in its own way, but we humans are, well human, and all that that entails. I like to hear it.
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Post by leeknight on Nov 8, 2012 10:19:23 GMT -5
^^^ Thanks for the extensive response. You would have seen and heard the lot with your career. I always find playing with other musicians to be a mixture of joy, celebration and discipline. And I love to hear it in recorded music that captures all that heart and soul. Studio overdubbed perfection works in its own way, but we humans are, well human, and all that that entails. I like to hear it. I'll tell ya... I'm a big fan of getting it down quick. On Piano Lessons, I played the bass once through, that was it. I wasn't sure what I was going to do till I did. I knew the chords of course because I had to trudge through doing the piano. Not being a player, there's the compromise. But the bass? Let's do it and be done. Did I hose it? Not really, but I can hear me thinking "oh shit!" too. And I like hearing that so it stays. There are ways to willfully leave weakness in there. The concept of manufacturing the weakness is silly though. Like we don't have enough of it without trying. But creating an environment of quick choice, to really move, that creates a sense of spontaneity, adventure and... fallibility. Which is a good thing I think. It's a lot more fun to listen to.
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Post by rsadasiv on Nov 8, 2012 10:30:05 GMT -5
but I can hear me thinking SOT, but this has started to really irritate me when I listen to myself play. "I can hear you thinking. Stop thinking - play it, feel it, be it, whatever, just stop thinking so hard that I can hear it from all the way across this room".
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Post by oldgitplayer on Nov 8, 2012 10:31:05 GMT -5
As the man once said :
Ring the bell that still can ring Forget your perfect offering There's a crack in everything That is how the light gets in
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Post by oldgitplayer on Nov 8, 2012 10:43:21 GMT -5
I watched a doco today on the band, 'Black Country Communion', called 'The Making of Afterglow'. All their recording is done as the band playing together, and the vocals and harmonies done together as an overdub. Simple, exacting, but effective. This is what kickstarted this thread.
If you like British 70's hard rock, then you'll enjoy the music.
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Post by leeknight on Nov 8, 2012 11:24:54 GMT -5
That band kicks ASS!!! Glenn Hughes of Deep Purple on bass and vocals! He's great...
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Post by blue2blue on Nov 8, 2012 12:59:32 GMT -5
Prince, as I understand it, did much of his early work himself. Of course, he's a really well rounded musician. (Even though one of his early appeals to me was as a soul guy who played good guitar, I'm nonetheless always kind of amazed on those rare occasions these days when he rips off a solo... he's very good.) And I was always very drawn to Harry Nilsson's first album or two, where, I believe, he did all the voices. And, while it was hardly a DIY effort, I've always been hugely impressed by the wall of Freddie in "Bohemian Rhapsody" -- and I've never been a big Queen fan. Now, all that said, I've done a LOT of recordings of bands tracking live (and then typically breaking that out to overdubs) as well as a large amount of work one or two tracks at a time, project-studio construction style. When a good group of players who groove together are playing live, there is something really special that happens. Special things can certainly happen when constructing music an overdub at a time -- I've heard some great stuff. And when it all comes together, sometimes it is a unique and really intoxicating exploration of the solo artist's musical life. And, other times, it's a mess. (Not unlike band recordings, come to think of it. )
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Post by oswlek on Nov 8, 2012 18:08:16 GMT -5
When you record in your basement with a furnace, washing maching, dryer, dehumidifier all within 15 feet of you - as well as the living marching around upstairs.... Science is all you have.
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Post by oldgitplayer on Nov 8, 2012 18:41:37 GMT -5
When you record in your basement with a furnace, washing maching, dryer, dehumidifier all within 15 feet of you - as well as the living marching around upstairs.... Science is all you have. ;D Under such adverse conditions sir, you're a bloody marvel... Can we please hear some washing machine rhythms underpinning your next song.........
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Post by rsadasiv on Nov 8, 2012 20:19:35 GMT -5
When you record in your basement with a furnace, washing maching, dryer, dehumidifier all within 15 feet of you - as well as the living marching around upstairs.... Science is all you have. I know how it is Although the little bits that have come through - the cat meowing outside the door, one of the kids coming in to tell me that it is dinner time - are some of my favorite moments in the stuff I have recorded. It's like an Easter egg, just for me.
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Post by unclenny on Nov 9, 2012 11:47:25 GMT -5
It's really all about your attitude as a recordist. If you are looking for perfection as a one man act then you can track until it's almost perfect, then tune the vocals, then cut up the bass notes and move them incrementally for a day or so..........
or.....you can play each track with feeling and capture the moment replete with all that makes it clear that it came from a human player.
Treat your DAW as if it was a tape recorder. Then employ just enough of that science in the mix stage to make sure you smile when you listen back to the finished product.
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Post by leeknight on Nov 9, 2012 11:53:11 GMT -5
It's really all about your attitude as a recordist. If you are looking for perfection as a one man act then you can track until it's almost perfect, then tune the vocals, then cut up the bass notes and move them incrementally for a day or so.......... or.....you can play each track with feeling and capture the moment replete with all that makes it clear that it came from a human player. Treat your DAW as if it was a tape recorder. Then employ just enough of that science in the mix stage to make sure you smile when you listen back to the finished product. That is way too pragmatic and clear and full of sense.
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Post by oswlek on Nov 9, 2012 12:13:37 GMT -5
It's really all about your attitude as a recordist. If you are looking for perfection as a one man act then you can track until it's almost perfect, then tune the vocals, then cut up the bass notes and move them incrementally for a day or so.......... or.....you can play each track with feeling and capture the moment replete with all that makes it clear that it came from a human player. Treat your DAW as if it was a tape recorder. Then employ just enough of that science in the mix stage to make sure you smile when you listen back to the finished product. I can do that on the guitar. The problem is I'm not a strong enough vocalist, pianist or bassist to pull anything else off without comping or tweaking after the fact. I do make a concerted effort to leave in as many natural errors as possible, though. Edit: I am getting better at getting genuine, usable live takes (and fragments) though, and I think it shows in recent stuff.
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Post by unclenny on Nov 9, 2012 12:18:13 GMT -5
The problem is I'm not a strong vocalist, pianist or bassist to pull anything else off without comping or tweaking after the fact. Well...we all can't be perfect, now can we. Excuse me now....must get back to cutting up my bass track. Really.
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