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Post by rsadasiv on Nov 6, 2012 14:11:15 GMT -5
Post examples of great timing here.
On listening to Booker T and the MGs: I can't hear the guitar at all, but that snare sounds great.
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Post by leeknight on Nov 6, 2012 14:35:51 GMT -5
OK... don't hate me. And no I'm not trying to be provocative. And yes, the good timing is most likely NOT due to the singer but due to some very musical producer / "performance engineer" working in post... but the melodic rhythm of this piece is freaking awesome. 8th and even 16th note syncopation that is all but invisible. Because its right on the money. It's part of the reason the song is so catchy. It is an obstacle course of fun little rhythms.
I pity all the cover band singers trying to nail this and not realizing what hit them.
Sorry...
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Post by rsadasiv on Nov 6, 2012 14:47:45 GMT -5
The lyric makes this song. If the chorus had been "Call me baby" it would never have charted.
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Post by leeknight on Nov 6, 2012 14:55:11 GMT -5
The lyric makes this song. If the chorus had been "Call me baby" it would never have charted. Well, yeah... and that crazy melodic rhythm! Focus! Man... Focus!
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Post by rsadasiv on Nov 6, 2012 15:19:32 GMT -5
The lyric makes this song. If the chorus had been "Call me baby" it would never have charted. Well, yeah... and that crazy melodic rhythm! Focus! Man... Focus! More phrasing than timing (although timing is certainly a component of phrasing), but sure, why not? Check the chorus.
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Post by oswlek on Nov 6, 2012 15:24:47 GMT -5
I know I really should be expanding my awareness and expertise...
but I can't click those vids. I just can't.
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Post by leeknight on Nov 6, 2012 15:56:49 GMT -5
No worries Mr. O. I tap it where ever I can. Excuse Me?!!?
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Post by leeknight on Nov 6, 2012 16:00:07 GMT -5
Well, yeah... and that crazy melodic rhythm! Focus! Man... Focus! More phrasing than timing (although timing is certainly a component of phrasing), but sure, why not? Check the chorus. Exactly! Whether or not we go there... FRiday... is a perfect example of what Mr. P is talking about. Totally phrasing the line to a speech pattern, and I'm more and more convinced there's something there in his ideas.
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Post by rsadasiv on Nov 6, 2012 16:36:21 GMT -5
I know I really should be expanding my awareness and expertise... but I can't click those vids. I just can't. Here's the track from the OP. You can click on it without any worries.
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Post by leeknight on Nov 7, 2012 9:43:25 GMT -5
^^^ aw yeah. His drumming is so cool. While you were digging Cropper, I can't help but but be totally wrapped up into Al Jackson's drumming. Whoa, so groovy. That was a great band for feel.
Yuo gotcher STAX, and you gotcher Muscle Shoals. I LOVE Barry Becket's keys and David Hood's basss here for timing and feel. The subtle shifts of the trance groove. It just cycles and blooms beautifully. That's pocket. Timing.
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Post by oldgitplayer on Nov 7, 2012 18:22:11 GMT -5
I've always loved everything about this song including the phrasing / timing. Love the drumming with that simple rhythm of the high hat and snare. It's also a fine example of building a crescendo in the chorus.
'scuse the vid, but I selected it for the audio quality.
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Post by leeknight on Nov 8, 2012 10:10:37 GMT -5
Excellent choice and example! Something about that upbeat snare on the up of 3 and 4 is just so cool.
Oh... and I'm totally OK with Twiggy. I think she's adorable.
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Post by blue2blue on Nov 8, 2012 17:26:53 GMT -5
^^^ aw yeah. His drumming is so cool. While you were digging Cropper, I can't help but but be totally wrapped up into Al Jackson's drumming. Whoa, so groovy. That was a great band for feel. Yuo gotcher STAX, and you gotcher Muscle Shoals. I LOVE Barry Becket's keys and David Hood's basss here for timing and feel. The subtle shifts of the trance groove. It just cycles and blooms beautifully. That's pocket. Timing. Yeah... I find this pleases me, you bet. Amusing, though, that you should pick this particular vid from the Staples' oeuvre... it's the funkiness that won me over -- even though I hated being preached to. When it came out I was the kind of disrespectful young hippie I felt the song was talking down to. And I thought it was just a bad song, that some of the lyrics were just stupid ("put your hand over your mouth when you cough that'll help the pollution"). But after I lived in a mostly African-American neighborhood for 15 years, no one had to explain Pop Staples to me -- the neighborhood griot/patriarch/Jeremiah, not adverse to putting a boot up where he thought it might do some community good. If he doesn't exist, the neighborhood will invent him. Anyhow, the syncopation won me over long before I got hip to Pop's wised up street preacher world view.
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Post by leeknight on Nov 9, 2012 11:59:22 GMT -5
^^^ aw yeah. His drumming is so cool. While you were digging Cropper, I can't help but but be totally wrapped up into Al Jackson's drumming. Whoa, so groovy. That was a great band for feel. Yuo gotcher STAX, and you gotcher Muscle Shoals. I LOVE Barry Becket's keys and David Hood's basss here for timing and feel. The subtle shifts of the trance groove. It just cycles and blooms beautifully. That's pocket. Timing. Yeah... I find this pleases me, you bet. Amusing, though, that you should pick this particular vid from the Staples' oeuvre... it's the funkiness that won me over -- even though I hated being preached to. When it came out I was the kind of disrespectful young hippie I felt the song was talking down to. And I thought it was just a bad song, that some of the lyrics were just stupid ("put your hand over your mouth when you cough that'll help the pollution"). But after I lived in a mostly African-American neighborhood for 15 years, no one had to explain Pop Staples to me -- the neighborhood griot/patriarch/Jeremiah, not adverse to putting a boot up where he thought it might do some community good. If he doesn't exist, the neighborhood will invent him. Anyhow, the syncopation won me over long before I got hip to Pop's wised up street preacher world view. Fidelity. It sounded the best at non-HQ settings after a quick perusal. Nothing in depth. But it sounds like the record unlike some of the other vids of the same tune. Yeah, I dig Pop's no nonsense truth about BS and 'tude and respect. It's new old school and it feels right to me. I never really thought of it as anti hippie, just anti asshole. Assholes wear all kinds of clothing and hair lengths. He wasn't singing to you Mr. Blue.
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Post by blue2blue on Nov 9, 2012 12:09:58 GMT -5
I've always loved everything about this song including the phrasing / timing. Love the drumming with that simple rhythm of the high hat and snare. It's also a fine example of building a crescendo in the chorus. 'scuse the vid, but I selected it for the audio quality. Great song, as is, what for me will always be the companion hit, "Time of the Season." They both, but particularly, TotS, sound great, even in stereo. I just plugged the stereo and mono versions of "Time of the Season" and the stereo version of "She's Not There" into my MOG playlist -- along with versions by art-rock-weirdos Vanilla Fudge and the Glee Cast as controls. (But they're about 200 songs from where I currently am so who knows when I'll hear them unless I skip ahead.)
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