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Post by bee3 on Oct 26, 2012 13:48:18 GMT -5
 Still can't believe I did that... I should probably create a non-admin account. Is that what mods usually do? |
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Post by leeknight on Oct 26, 2012 13:51:18 GMT -5
Chip lives down the street from me. I grew up in his studio. Played in a band with his son. I have a deep seated love for theatres and studios and it's probably because of my experience at his studio as a wee lad. So Happy Together is just a damn well written song. I recorded a cover of it probably ten years ago in a minor key with a really sparse arrangement and my usual terrible singing and gave it to chip on a CD with a bunch of other stuff. In retrospect I'm mortified that I did that. >.< Yeah yeah, I'm not saying it's the be all end all - and it's not like I can relate to the lyrics exactly, but it's always struck me as very well written: Wow, you grew up next to Chip Douglas??? If you ever see him, tell he has a new biggest fan. Sure, that song is "well written" but... for me, the arrangement is what completely makes this one. Fantabulous pop. And ABBA? Same thing. Their arrangements are to die for. I listen to some bit of ABBA GOLD once a week. Really. |
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Post by rsadasiv on Oct 26, 2012 13:51:59 GMT -5
Still can't believe I did that... I should probably create a non-admin account. Is that what mods usually do? You're doing a great job. Thanks for setting this up. |
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Post by leeknight on Oct 26, 2012 13:54:21 GMT -5
I still think he's a bastard. No... not really.
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Post by bee3 on Oct 26, 2012 13:57:09 GMT -5
I still think he's a bastard. No... not really. Careful, or I'll give you a negative post count.  |
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Post by leeknight on Oct 26, 2012 13:57:45 GMT -5
My favorite ABBA song...
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Post by leeknight on Oct 26, 2012 13:59:17 GMT -5
I still think he's a bastard. No... not really. Careful, or I'll give you a negative post count. Have I told you lately how awesome you are? |
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Post by rsadasiv on Oct 26, 2012 14:05:48 GMT -5
And ABBA? Same thing. Their arrangements are to die for. I listen to ABBA GOLD once a week. Really. In 1977 I was living in Holland and I remember running around the schoolyard with my buddies chanting "ABBA Sucks" at the girls we had secret crushes on.  |
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Post by shortchord on Oct 26, 2012 14:18:27 GMT -5
Well, in light of the storm threatening the East Coast:
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Post by rsadasiv on Oct 26, 2012 14:20:59 GMT -5
The post was a question to bee3 about the "hip chord substitutions" Chick Corea plays on Spain. Hey shortchord - any thoughts? I'm supposed to replicate the Rhodes chord vamps on guitar and I'm friggin lost. |
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Post by leeknight on Oct 26, 2012 14:27:15 GMT -5
The post was a question to bee3 about the "hip chord substitutions" Chick Corea plays on Spain. Hey shortchord - any thoughts? I'm supposed to replicate the Rhodes chord vamps on guitar and I'm friggin lost. It's all over my head, but here you go... forums.allaboutjazz.com/showthread.php?t=34613 |
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Post by blue2blue on Oct 26, 2012 14:29:45 GMT -5
OH SHIT - MOD POWERS GONE WRONG!!! I just modified your post and deleted the whole thing. Sorry about that Ram. I thought I was editing my post. I'm a newb mod and I've got a lot to learn. Anyway - I'm the last guy in the world that could answer your question. Shortcord can probably help you though... --b3 (crap mod)  Welcome to my world! |
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Post by rsadasiv on Oct 26, 2012 14:35:53 GMT -5
Yeah, I'd checked out that thread already. The allaboutjazz forums are usually pretty helpful, but that wasn't one of the better ones. The OP was overly finicky about naming modes (the riff is basically in D, as many people pointed out) and then the thread kind of moved into some generalities about soloing over the chord progression instead of about the chord substitutions. |
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Post by shortchord on Oct 26, 2012 15:08:27 GMT -5
The post was a question to bee3 about the "hip chord substitutions" Chick Corea plays on Spain. Hey shortchord - any thoughts? I'm supposed to replicate the Rhodes chord vamps on guitar and I'm friggin lost. These are the basic chords once the song gets into the main form: 4 bars GMa7#11: 3x442x 4 bars F#7b13: 2x233x 2 bars Em7 2 bars A7 2 bars DMaj7 2 bars GMa7#11 2 bars C#7alt (could be b5, #5, b9 and/or #9) --C#7(b5): x45467 --C#7#5: 9x900x (where 0=10) --C#7#9: x4345x --C#7(b9): x4343x 2 bars F#7(b13) 2 bars Bmin7 2 bars B7 I'd have to sit down with it to see what Chick is playing over that rubato intro, if that's the section you need to comp over. Edit: the fake book that I pulled this from has the first chord as a GMa7#11. I definitely hear a natural fifth in there, though, so I would probably play a straight GMaj7, or maybe voice the GMa7#11 so that it has both the natural 5th and the #11 (e.g., x44433). |
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Post by rsadasiv on Oct 26, 2012 15:16:51 GMT -5
Hey shortchord - any thoughts? I'm supposed to replicate the Rhodes chord vamps on guitar and I'm friggin lost. These are the basic chords once the song gets into the main form: 4 bars GMa7#11: 3x442x 4 bars F#7b13: 2x233x 2 bars Em7 2 bars A7 2 bars DMaj7 2 bars GMa7#11 2 bars C#7alt (could be b5, #5, b9 and/or #9) --C#7(b5): x45467 --C#7#5: 9x900x (where 0=10) --C#7#9: x4345x --C#7(b9): x4343x 2 bars F#7(b13) 2 bars Bmin7 2 bars B7 I'd have to sit down with it to see what Chick is playing over that rubato intro, if that's the section you need to comp over. Edit: the fake book that I pulled this from has the first chord as a GMa7#11. I definitely hear a natural fifth in there, though, so I would probably play a straight GMaj7, or maybe voice the GMa7#11 so that it has both the natural 5th and the #11 (e.g., x44433). Yeah, the intro is off the table (I believe he's noodling over a bit from the Concierto de Aranjuez/Sketches of Spain). I'll try out some of your suggestions tonight - my comping was definitely a little rough on the C#7, so that b5-b9 should help. |
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Post by shortchord on Oct 26, 2012 15:22:24 GMT -5
These are the basic chords once the song gets into the main form: 4 bars GMa7#11: 3x442x 4 bars F#7b13: 2x233x 2 bars Em7 2 bars A7 2 bars DMaj7 2 bars GMa7#11 2 bars C#7alt (could be b5, #5, b9 and/or #9) --C#7(b5): x45467 --C#7#5: 9x900x (where 0=10) --C#7#9: x4345x --C#7(b9): x4343x 2 bars F#7(b13) 2 bars Bmin7 2 bars B7 I'd have to sit down with it to see what Chick is playing over that rubato intro, if that's the section you need to comp over. Edit: the fake book that I pulled this from has the first chord as a GMa7#11. I definitely hear a natural fifth in there, though, so I would probably play a straight GMaj7, or maybe voice the GMa7#11 so that it has both the natural 5th and the #11 (e.g., x44433). Yeah, the intro is off the table (I believe he's noodling over a bit from the Concierto de Aranjuez/Sketches of Spain). I'll try out some of your suggestions tonight - my comping was definitely a little rough on the C#7, so that b5-b9 should help. Another thing that you can do is to use shell voicings that contain only the root, third, and seventh. I do that all the time, especially when comping with a piano player to avoid clashing fifths or ninths. C#7 shell voicings: x434xx (root, third, seventh) 9x90xx (where 0=10) (root, seventh, third) Freddie Green made a career out of using those voicings. (It's also where my username comes from.) |
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Post by shadowsofbirds on Oct 26, 2012 16:28:27 GMT -5
Well, in light of the storm threatening the East Coast: ;D |
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Post by blue2blue on Oct 26, 2012 18:26:47 GMT -5
Here's one of those 'kill to have written' songs... from the Dylan-fan-essential Witmark Demos...
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Post by blue2blue on Oct 26, 2012 18:33:01 GMT -5
Still can't believe I did that... I should probably create a non-admin account. Is that what mods usually do? What I've done in the past is create an ident with mod power or super-mod power (depending on how they're set up -- some let you pick and choose your permissions to create a custom user type) and then use that. You definitely don't want to go logging in/out back/forth every time you need to do some little thing, though. One thing I've done in the past is to use two different browsers (Chrome and Firefox come to mind) and stay logged into different accounts in them. In testing blogs and social sites with multiple user tiers, I've used three different browsers at once, adding Safari. (IE is pronounced as aiyee around here, as in, don't make me go there) |
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Post by leeknight on Oct 26, 2012 18:38:03 GMT -5
Graham Gouldman. That guy from 10CC? He co-wrote I'm Not In Love, The Things We Do For Love, Wall Street Shuffle, Dreadlock Holiday.
Know what he did before he had artistic credibility? Before his pop was cool pop? He wrote bubblegum. And he sang some of it too. He wrote the fantastic No Milk Today for Herman's Hermits. He wrote and sang Sausalito for the Yummy Yummy Yummy guys The Ohio Express. And though he said after two years of writing bubblegum he wanted to literally kill himself and fell into a deep depression, he said it was more from the overworking than any lack of integrity in the music. He also said he "wrote a lot of crap. Shit, really." Fickle artists. I love his stuff.
And singing here too...
And from all this silly shallow bubblebum, stuff that I still love, comes awesomeness. Something a bit more high brow, don't you know:
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Post by blue2blue on Oct 26, 2012 19:18:36 GMT -5
Always loved "Wall Street Shuffle," the way it starts off with a Steely Dan thing and then proceeds to go through a postmodern deck shuffle of styles from music hall to metal. It's the work of guys who really knew their pop elements inside and out and weren't afraid to flash them around.
Highly engaging.
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Post by rsadasiv on Oct 26, 2012 20:59:39 GMT -5
These are the basic chords once the song gets into the main form: 4 bars GMa7#11: 3x442x 4 bars F#7b13: 2x233x 2 bars Em7 2 bars A7 2 bars DMaj7 2 bars GMa7#11 2 bars C#7alt (could be b5, #5, b9 and/or #9) --C#7(b5): x45467 --C#7#5: 9x900x (where 0=10) --C#7#9: x4345x --C#7(b9): x4343x 2 bars F#7(b13) 2 bars Bmin7 2 bars B7 That's lovely! Right now I'm using C#7#9 C#7b9 F#7b13 F#7 on the middle part - we'll see how that holds up at tempo. |
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Post by rsadasiv on Oct 26, 2012 21:01:11 GMT -5
Another thing that you can do is to use shell voicings that contain only the root, third, and seventh. I do that all the time, especially when comping with a piano player to avoid clashing fifths or ninths. C#7 shell voicings: x434xx (root, third, seventh) 9x90xx (where 0=10) (root, seventh, third) Freddie Green made a career out of using those voicings. (It's also where my username comes from.) And because playing it at tempo and in time is challenging, I may just go all Freddie Green on it. |
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Post by bee3 on Oct 26, 2012 22:11:19 GMT -5
Watching this on Palladia right now.
Really? I mean... REALLY?
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Post by rsadasiv on Oct 26, 2012 22:25:15 GMT -5
These are the basic chords once the song gets into the main form: 4 bars GMa7#11: 3x442x 4 bars F#7b13: 2x233x 2 bars Em7 2 bars A7 2 bars DMaj7 2 bars GMa7#11 2 bars C#7alt (could be b5, #5, b9 and/or #9) --C#7(b5): x45467 --C#7#5: 9x900x (where 0=10) --C#7#9: x4345x --C#7(b9): x4343x 2 bars F#7(b13) 2 bars Bmin7 2 bars B7 That's lovely! Right now I'm using C#7#9 C#7b9 F#7b13 F#7 on the middle part - we'll see how that holds up at tempo. C#dim is also pretty good. |
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Post by oldgitplayer on Oct 27, 2012 6:14:39 GMT -5
Sometimes I need Mr. Bibb to tell me what's on his mind
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Post by leeknight on Oct 27, 2012 12:05:20 GMT -5
Tal makes me into a bad man. All that good stuff in one little cute package is totally messing with me. She really is an awesome player. I mean, really. And frankly... if I saw her walking through town I would be doing the creepy stare when you're totally obvious that you're smitten with someone. And totally inappropriately so?
Not good. Damn me to hell right now. And she can really play. I've watched that Ronnie's show several times and Beck's appreciation for her playing is obvious. That show smokes. As does Tal.
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Post by bee3 on Oct 27, 2012 12:09:32 GMT -5
Tal makes me into a bad man. All that good stuff in one little cute package is totally messing with me. She really is an awesome player. I mean, really. And frankly... if I saw her walking through town I would be doing the creepy stare when you're totally obvious that you're smitten with someone. And totally inappropriately so? Not good. Damn me to hell right now. And she can really play. I've watched that Ronnie's show several times and Beck's appreciation for her playing is obvious. That show smokes. As does Tal. Amen. I showed her to my wife last night... she wasn't nearly as impressed |
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Post by leeknight on Oct 27, 2012 17:42:43 GMT -5
I love Pandora. I make new channels all the time just to see what the mad minds come up with to recommend based on my input. And lately I've just wanted to hear some Lovin' Spoonful. But WAIT!!! There's drugs involved!
I've never heard this.
How John Sebastian manages to turn what "should" have been a breezy ode to livin' slow in the Caribbean, into a bout of drug induced paranoia of "the man", well, it's just incredible. Really. This song says so much more than any "we'll take it fast and then we'll take it slow, Kokomo" nonsense.
This is the yearning of a young man on the verge of a bad trip. Like... totally, man. Far out. I love it. And can Yaz Yanovsky's almost perversely spooky electric guitar theme be any more wrong for a stroll along the reef, and still be so perfect.
It sounds like something our very own Bee3 might come up with.
It's really true how nothing matters.
No mad, mad world and no mad hatters.
No one's pitchin cause there ain't no batters
in Coconut Grove.
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Post by blue2blue on Oct 28, 2012 14:19:52 GMT -5
A message from Mavis...
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