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Post by mrkelley on Jan 11, 2013 14:15:03 GMT -5
Quite a singer and pianist for a "songwriter". That ^ take ^ is astoundingly good. The guy was clearly way too cool for Sedaka. Note: That same night my mom informed me that that all three of the players in that lounge trio worked construction in the day. "See... they have to break their backs by day in order to do this music thing." I didn't listen. A few points... 1) Yeah, Neil Sedaka had some vocal chops. 2) We're all too cool for Neil Sedaka, except that beneath all of that pop gloss (songs like "Laughter in the Rain" and "Solitaire") he's using some magnificent chord changes. 3) I'm a professional dog trainer. That's how I pay the rent. Training, boarding, and day care. It's not the same thing as working construction as a day job; I love it. I love dogs. But the music money doesn't amount to much. Yet...
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Post by rsadasiv on Jan 11, 2013 14:15:38 GMT -5
I didn't get the tickets yet, but I've booked the accomodations. I was saving up my money for Festival au Desert in Mali, and then the whole freaking country turns into a war zone. (My trip to Kashmir doesn't seem to be happening any time soon either) Boy, this video has dated poorly... vimeo.com/8575350Oh well, the music is still good
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Post by leeknight on Jan 11, 2013 15:18:54 GMT -5
There is a single 1/4 note tie that ended up being a GREAT moment in musical history and one that changed the way I write. If you can't read music, don't sweat it. Do you know that theme to Ode to Joy? Otherwise known as Beethoven's 9th, 4th movement. La da dee dee da da... you know it. Look at the end of the 3rd line below. If you don't know, the arching horizontal line is a tie. It means that the next note isn't played, but rather, it is sustained, or added to the previous note. We just let that previous note ring longer. What's so big a deal? Well... Ode to Joy is about the smoothest melody known to man. It is comprised of scale steps. Find the fist note on the piano and you can punch that tune out all side by side white keys. all 1/4 notes. All downstream and copacetic. But... that last note in the 3rd line... It breaks from the whole melody in many ways, yet doesn't feel wrong. It is absolutely the right note. How does it break away? - It's the first nonstepwise motion. Everything so far is next note on scale next note on scale. This LEAPS. - The previous note sounds like a V chord but here on this last note of the line, on beat 4... we're we're jumping to the 3rd of the key. A 3rd is not in the V chord. So... ... we're jumping ahead. And this little moment changed the way I think about melody. Listen to the Beatles melodies for similar kinds of tomfoolery. It's good stuff.
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Post by leeknight on Jan 11, 2013 15:43:28 GMT -5
I noted why it doesn't fit, but why does it? Why does it still feel right. Or better, not "still" feel right but rather, is THE right choice? Because...
- We return with some mild urgency (not contradicting the mood) to the opening note.
- It has a pertinent quality. I MEAN THIS.
I love that.
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Post by oldgitplayer on Jan 11, 2013 17:42:40 GMT -5
This is the exact sort of musical 'trick' that The Songwriting Secrets of the Beatles discusses from cover to cover. I think you're going to LOOOOOVE it.
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Post by leeknight on Jan 11, 2013 19:17:02 GMT -5
This is the exact sort of musical 'trick' that The Songwriting Secrets of the Beatles discusses from cover to cover. I think you're going to LOOOOOVE it. Exactly. They would frequently put non-chord tones on stressed beats. And sometimes move those stressed beats into a slightly less obvious spot. It opens up things and make you listen. Your listener's head's are on table, the default position, then... what? They really knew how to get you interested but not for all the reasons they're usually cited for. It was usually the melody doing things simple but slightly outside. Always in the scale, but they'd shuffle the expectations to create an interesting unfolding of the idea. Spot on, dude. BTW, cash is tight with a Sweet 16 birthday and me traveling out of town for NAMM next weekend. But I WILL get that book. It's just so spendy. I want it though. Will get it.
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Post by oldgitplayer on Jan 11, 2013 19:26:01 GMT -5
^^^ Yep - I got lucky - I picked up an 'unwanted gift' for $15 on Ebay Australia.
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Post by leeknight on Jan 11, 2013 23:12:59 GMT -5
I just received a phone call from an old... old friend. We've lost contact but his wife managed to track me down. He was still working but she asked if I'd like to go see Keane tomorrow at the Hollywood Palladium. He'd thought of me when they found themselves with an extra ticket. It's been 30 years.
Greg Stelly.
He was my self taught sound man when I was 19. (We spent a bunch of money and he learned it, he did!) He's 2 years older them me. He was my biggest supporter and true friend back then. Always saying that I had something to say, so say it.
Then I went on to "bigger things".
We lost touch. Funny how being an asshole, or at least a forgetful friend, can come back and remind you. I... am... BLOWN AWAY! Even as I find he may be battling the big C, even after feeling a bit guilty for having not kept up... here I find myself saying, "Yes! I'd love to go!". Damn right!
I really like Keanne. It's easy to poke holes in what they do. But really, I get what they do, and I like what they do. And I am looking forward to hugging Greg and having a beer with him, kicking him in the nuts if need be... and having a fucking great time.
THAT'S an inspiration!
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Post by bee3 on Jan 12, 2013 7:01:59 GMT -5
That is AWESOME.
And I really like Keane. Whats not to like?
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Post by leeknight on Jan 12, 2013 11:04:38 GMT -5
I just saw these guys play live on tv... I didn't know they were actually good. Wow, their vocals and harmonies and playing were really well done. To bad all the live stuff on youtube is hand help phone stuff. Here's the album version. Cool tune from the Almost Alice soundtrack. Music inspired by Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland. Cool...
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Post by monkeyuncle on Jan 13, 2013 6:20:07 GMT -5
^^^^^Very cool.^^^^^
Reminiscent of the Beatles' psychedelic stuff. Lucy in the Sky with a Little Less Acid.
And just a touch of James Hetfield on the title line.
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Post by mrkelley on Jan 13, 2013 10:57:30 GMT -5
I posted this on Mark Blackburn's thread at H.C. But since this song has influenced a couple of my own tunes, I thought it might be fitting to post it here as well.
I was talking to a jazz pianist friend last night who's in the process of putting out a live CD (which includes a song we wrote together called "Lonely Sky.") She'd had two solo gigs earlier in the day, and was set to play at the Waldorf Astoria that night.
I said, "The Waldorf? That means you'll be playing Cole Porter's piano!"
"It's true! Good old Cole Porter. But it's a hard piano to play. It has a very hard action."
Our conversation turned to her repertoire and I asked if she ever played "Poor Butterfly," a song that was written in 1917, but was later recorded by a lot of great jazz musicians.
"Yes," she said. "That's a beautiful song..."
I agreed. (I first heard it back in the 1970s when I used to go to second-hand stores looking for 78rpm recordings and found a 1940 version by The Benny Goodman Sextet).
I asked her if I was crazy for thinking that a lot of songs written after 1917 had borrowed or even stolen bits and pieces of "Poor Butterfly."
She said, no. She'd noticed that too. And if other songwriters hadn't borrowed snippets of the tune, a ton of them had probably copied the chords. Pretty amazing for a song written by two otherwise unknown songwriters.
Here's the Benny Goodman Sextet version.
The lyric tells the same basic story as in Puccini's opera, Madame Butterfly. In fact, it's said that the song incorporates one of Puccini's musical themes in the introductory verse.
"Poor Butterfly"
Verse. There's a story told of a little Japanese sitting demurely 'neath the cherry blossom trees. Miss Butterfly her name, a sweet little innocent child was she till a fine young American from the sea, to her garden came.
They met 'neath the cherry blossoms every day. and he taught her how to love in the American way To love with a soul was easy to learn. And he sailed away with a promise to return.
Chorus. Poor Butterfly, 'neath the blossoms waiting. Poor Butterfly, for she loved him so. The moments pass into hours, the hours pass into years. And as she smiled through her tears, she murmured low:
The moon and I knew that he'd be faithful. She knew he'd come to her by and by. But if he n'er came back, she'd never sigh or cry, she just would die, poor Butterfly.
Tony Bennett's gorgeous rendition.
Sonny Rollins, with J. J. Johnson, Horace Silver, Thelonious Monk and Art Blakey.
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Post by leeknight on Jan 13, 2013 13:59:08 GMT -5
1968!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I knew nothing of this group till this morning listening to the FolkRockChannel. Wow, this is REALLY good...
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Post by mrkelley on Jan 13, 2013 16:29:56 GMT -5
1968!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew nothing of this group till this morning listening to the FolkRockChannel. Wow, this is REALLY good... I used to have this LP. (I got a lot of free albums when I worked in radio.) This was the closest they came to having a radio hit. A bit of Lovin' Spoonful, Mamas & Papas and The Beach Boys... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curt_Boettcher
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Post by mrkelley on Jan 13, 2013 17:01:26 GMT -5
Curt Boettcher was also involved in these groups, some as a producer, others as a member.
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